tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post1323883010348319443..comments2022-04-27T23:07:59.833-04:00Comments on Conversi ad Dominum: Does God Need Christ's Atoning Work?Fr John W Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-76930289689015375032007-10-24T02:11:00.000-04:002007-10-24T02:11:00.000-04:00lvkaright under the window it says "You can use so...lvka<BR/><BR/>right under the window it says "You can use some HTML tags, such as..." (If I continue it will just make what follows bold, italics, and I'm not sure what the "a" one does). To finish, use a / before the i in the second of those symbols. <I>It should work like this.</I>Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-24489066095438885222007-10-18T10:35:00.000-04:002007-10-18T10:35:00.000-04:00Except that it isn't God's presence that kills us....Except that it isn't God's presence that kills us.<BR/><BR/>Is not, not, not. This needs to be said again and again.<BR/><BR/>It is SIN destroys us when we come into the immediate presence of God. God's Presence may be termed the occasion, or even the catalyst, but the CAUSE is sin.<BR/><BR/>Sin kills us. The wages of sin is death. You earned it, sin paid you. The gift of God is eternal life. You didn't earn it; God gave it.<BR/><BR/>Sin derives me of all that is good, true, and beautiful, making eternal life into eternal hell. Sin makes the Light of Truth into torment, when it shines on my hideousness. Sin made me hideous to begin with. Sin, not the Presence of God. Please.<BR/><BR/>AnastasiaAnastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-39784309003869699142007-10-14T17:17:00.000-04:002007-10-14T17:17:00.000-04:00Lvka,Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious, and ...Lvka,<BR/><BR/>Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious, and so it needs to be stated.<BR/><BR/>As for italics -- I used html coding.<BR/><BR/>Pr Weedon,<BR/><BR/>I think you've rightly understood Fr Patrick's point.Fr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-18590171214601809112007-10-14T16:54:00.000-04:002007-10-14T16:54:00.000-04:00First of all, Father, thanks for stating the obvio...First of all, Father, thanks for stating the obvious. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, ... and this is a deep theological question, with tremedous impications, that need NOT be taken lightly: ... how did You manage to write with italics in the article-title ?? :DThe Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-81649784556466762602007-10-09T21:58:00.000-04:002007-10-09T21:58:00.000-04:00I think it misses the point utterly to argue that ...I think it misses the point utterly to argue that God needed the atonement. But WE needed the atonement if we were going to be able to live in the presence of the all-holy with His very holiness destroying us in our sinfulness. I don't think it's a very good way of explaining the teaching of vicarious satisfaction, either, to speak it of as God needing something. It is rather God providing something we need and without which His presence - which is the only true life - would only be our death. It is how He can come to us without wiping us up and unite us to Himself while destroying our sin and not destroying us.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.com