tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post7049069726671221831..comments2022-04-27T23:07:59.833-04:00Comments on Conversi ad Dominum: Why This Nativity?Fr John W Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-83668679291606621152007-07-03T12:35:00.000-04:002007-07-03T12:35:00.000-04:00All,Thanks for your comments.-------Matthew,Let me...All,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/>-------<BR/><BR/>Matthew,<BR/><BR/>Let me suggest that we do when we celebrate one's "Name Day."<BR/><BR/>---------<BR/><BR/>Jeannelle,<BR/><BR/>I tend toward the answer "anam cara" gave. In addition, where there appears to be correspondence, it may be just as likely that the world, by the temptation of the devil, attempted to subvert the Church's holy day rather than the Church baptizing and converting a pagan festival.<BR/><BR/>As for theosis, you might wish to review my recently posted comments <A HTTP://CONVERSIADDOMINUM.BLOGSPOT.COM/2007/06/PRINCIPLE-ISSUES-THEOSIS-JUSTIFICATION.HTML> here.</A><BR/><BR/>Finally, concerning your frustration, feel free to email me offlist.Fr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-47204656726168724182007-06-27T08:34:00.000-04:002007-06-27T08:34:00.000-04:00Theosis means that in the resurrection, we shall b...<I>Theosis</I> means that in the resurrection, we shall become like God, because He will share His own characteristics with us, and indeed will share His own life with us.<BR/><BR/>In this life, we are made alive by a natural, human quality or principle. That quality of "natural life" is truly life, but in itself it is weak and temporary. It has no "staying power" of its own, and when it runs out, we die. The New Testament uses the Greek word <I>psyche</I> to refer to that natural, human quality.<BR/><BR/>In the age to come, on the other hand, we shall be made alive not by that natural quality, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. We shall not have to rely on living a life "of our own" but shall instead live by His life.<BR/><BR/>That is what St Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians 15:42 and following:<BR/><BR/><I>So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, the first man Adam became a living soul; the last Adam became a life-creating spirit.</I><BR/><BR/>What we are now is "a natural body" (<I>soma psychikon</I>): a body given life by a human soul; what we shall be is "a spiritual body" (<I>soma pneumatikon</I>): a body given life by the Holy Spirit.<BR/><BR/>That is what <I>theosis</I> means: being made truly alive with <I>divine</I> life, rather than human life, by the indwelling of the life-creating Holy Spirit.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-28289552254949857872007-06-27T08:09:00.000-04:002007-06-27T08:09:00.000-04:00"Jeannelle said...It's doubtful you will approve t..."Jeannelle said...<BR/>It's doubtful you will approve this comment.<BR/><BR/>June 24 was chosen as feast day for John the Baptist because it was the date of the important pagan Midsummer celebration, just as December 25 was chosen as Christ's birthdate because it was the date of another very important pagan holiday."<BR/><BR/>Here is what I understand and believe:<BR/><BR/>The Roman festival to which you refer for Christmas is Sol Invictus or the festival of the Unconquered Sun. It was not celebrated until the 3rd century AD. The earliest reference to it isn't until the mid 4th century! Scholars today believe that it was Christianity that influenced the Roman solstice festival and not the other way around.<BR/><BR/>The Jewish people believed that prophets lived "integral years" which means that a prophet died on the day he was conceived. If Jesus died at the time of the Passover, he died around March which means He was conceived around March. That would place his birth in December. John was 6 months older than Jesus (see Luke 1 for a time line) which places his birth in June. <BR/><BR/>John was born to an old couple, conceived when the leaves were turning brown and falling. He was born when days are longest but getting shorter. <BR/><BR/>Jesus was conceived to a young woman, almost too early in life for her to be having a child. The leaves were budding forth when he was conceived. He was born when days are short, but getting longer.<BR/><BR/>John himself said, "He must increase, but I must decrease." From birth, John's days grew shorter, just as his ministry decreased after his baptism of Jesus. For Jesus, the days grew longer after his birth, and certainly his ministry grew after his baptism by John in the Jordan River.<BR/><BR/>God's timing is perfect!<BR/><BR/>I hope this explaination will strengthen your faith.Anam Carahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960986859370967282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-47652355307332570242007-06-25T12:38:00.000-04:002007-06-25T12:38:00.000-04:00It's doubtful you will approve this comment. June ...It's doubtful you will approve this comment.<BR/> <BR/>June 24 was chosen as feast day for John the Baptist because it was the date of the important pagan Midsummer celebration, just as December 25 was chosen as Christ's birthdate because it was the date of another very important pagan holiday.<BR/><BR/>Not that any of this should matter to the faithful. The early Church's confiscation of pagan holidays was an excellent plan to follow to grow the Church.<BR/><BR/>Your leap from Lutheranism to Orthodoxy is intriguing. I'm a frustrated Lutheran myself. What exactly is theosis?Jeannellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10506888396193293867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21841592.post-59333899303718565032007-06-24T17:45:00.000-04:002007-06-24T17:45:00.000-04:00Why don't we celebrate the date of Baptism or Chri...Why don't we celebrate the date of Baptism or Chrismation?Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.com